P0717 No signal from the transmission input or turbine speed sensor

Input/turbine speed sensor no signal

P0717 in short

P0717 means the transmission computer gets no signal from the input or turbine shaft speed sensor. A failed sensor or wiring is common, but some bulletins trace it to clutch damage inside the transmission. Have it inspected soon, and check for a bulletin before replacing parts.

The input or turbine speed sensor reads how fast the shaft coming out of the torque converter turns. The computer compares it with engine and output speed to judge converter slip and confirm each gear. P0717 sets when it expects pulses from this sensor and gets none.

Often the sensor or its circuit has failed. Ford replaces the turbine shaft speed sensor on some 2020 Super Duty trucks, and GM checks a circuit at the transmission connector on some 2013 trucks and vans.

The code can also come from damage inside the transmission. On some 2016 GM crossovers and sedans and some 2015–2016 Ford 6F transmissions, a failed clutch assembly breaks the sensor reading and the car loses reverse and some forward gears. A bulletin check by VIN comes first.

Most likely causes

  1. Faulty input/turbine speed sensor, connector or wiring

    Common general cause
    Why it ranks here
    A dead sensor or open circuit gives no signal, and Ford replaces this sensor for P0717 on some Super Duty trucks.
    What would change this
    Rises if the reading stays at zero on a scan tool while the engine runs in gear, or wiring damage is found.

  2. Sensor circuit fault at the transmission connector (2013 GM trucks and vans)

    Supported by vehicle data
    Why it ranks here
    GM tells technicians to check circuit 1984 at the 20-way transmission connector for P0716 or P0717 with harsh shifts.
    What would change this
    Rises on a 2013 Silverado, Sierra, Express or Savana with harsh shifts.

  3. Internal clutch damage disturbing the sensor reading (2016 GM, 2015–2016 Ford 6F)

    Supported by vehicle data
    Why it ranks here
    GM and Ford bulletins pair P0717 with no reverse and missing gears and fix it inside the transmission, not at the sensor.
    What would change this
    Rises if reverse, third or fifth gear is missing.

  4. Transmission computer reporting error (2008 Caliber, Compass, Patriot)

    Supported by vehicle data
    Why it ranks here
    Chrysler issued a software flash because these vehicles could report the wrong code for an input speed fault.
    What would change this
    Rises on a covered 2008 Dodge or Jeep that has not had the flash.
    How to test the transmission control module (tcm)

What to test first

Start at step 1. Each result tells you what it means and where to go next.

  1. Read codes from the engine and transmission modules with a scan tool that supports both, before anything is cleared.

    Low riskTool: scan tool that reads the transmission module

    • IfOther speed sensor codes are stored too

      It meansCheck for a bulletin; several cover groups of speed sensor codes.

      Go to step 2

    • IfP0717 alone

      It meansCheck for a bulletin.

      Go to step 2

  2. Check for a P0717 bulletin for your VIN at a dealer or on the NHTSA site.

    Low risk

  3. Have a shop watch the input speed reading on a scan tool in gear, then test the sensor connector and wiring.

    Best left to a shopTool: scan tool with transmission data

    Warning:Shop test. The vehicle must be in gear with the engine running, and wiring checks follow the maker's procedure.

Symptoms

  • Check engine light, sometimes with a wrench light on Fords
  • Harsh shifts
  • Lack of power on some Ford Super Duty trucks
  • No reverse, third or fifth gear on some GM and Ford models Gets more serious: stop and have it checked.
  • Transmission stuck in one gear or reduced power (limp-home mode) Gets more serious: stop and have it checked.

Compare with: Check engine light with loss of power

How to fix

  1. Do not clear the code before the transmission module has been read.

  2. Ask a dealer whether your VIN has an open P0717 bulletin. Ford, GM, Hyundai and Chrysler have issued them.

Parts and cost context

  • Transmission control module (TCM):Do not replace the transmission computer for P0717 unless a test points to it. Hyundai warns against replacing the transmission for its speed sensor codes, and most fixes are the sensor, its wiring or internal clutch parts.

Labor varies by vehicle and shop; get a quote before you approve a repair.

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On your vehicle

Ford

  • 2020 · F-250 Super Duty · 10R140 transmission

    Supported by vehicle data

    Ford TSB 20-2393 replaces the turbine shaft speed sensor for lack of power with P0715, P0716, P0717 and/or P07C0 on trucks built on or before 21 September 2020. F-350, F-450 and F-550 are also covered. The bulletin is on NHTSA, but whether it is still current is not verified, so it is labelled vehicle data rather than confirmed.

  • 2015–2016 · Explorer · 6F50/6F55 transmission

    Supported by vehicle data

    Ford SSM 50861 covers no reverse, 3rd and 5th with P0715, P0717, P0756 and/or P2701 from a direct clutch snap ring forced out of position, on transmissions built 2 November 2015 through 1 February 2016. The bulletin is on NHTSA, but whether it is still current is not verified, so it is labelled vehicle data rather than confirmed.

  • TSB 20-2393Status unverified

    Lack of power with P0715, P0716, P0717 and/or P07C0

    2020f-250-super-duty, f-350-super-duty, f-450-super-duty, f-550-super-duty · 10R140 transmission · issued · NHTSA 10183419

    On trucks built on or before 21 September 2020, the turbine shaft speed sensor may be the cause; replace it. Only the NHTSA flat-file summary was reviewed, not the bulletin itself.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

  • SSM 50861Status unverified

    No reverse, 3rd and 5th with P0715, P0717, P0756 and/or P2701

    2015–2016explorer, edge, flex, taurus · 6F50/6F55 transmission · issued · NHTSA 10214492

    On transmissions built 2 November 2015 through 1 February 2016, the direct clutch cylinder can force a snap ring out of position and damage the direct clutch hub. A complete 3-5-R clutch module is available. Lincoln models are also listed. Only the NHTSA flat-file summary was reviewed, not the bulletin itself.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

Chevrolet

  • 2016 · Equinox

    Supported by vehicle data

    GM 16-NA-013 replaces the 3-5-reverse clutch plates for no reverse and no third with P0716 and P0717. Several GMC, Buick and Cadillac models are also covered. The bulletin is on NHTSA, but whether it is still current is not verified, so it is labelled vehicle data rather than confirmed.

  • 2013 · Silverado

    Supported by vehicle data

    GM PIP5084A says to check circuit 1984 at the transmission connector for harsh shifts or the MIL with P0716 or P0717. The bulletin is on NHTSA, but whether it is still current is not verified, so it is labelled vehicle data rather than confirmed.

  • 16-NA-013Status unverified

    No reverse, no third with P0716 and P0717

    2016equinox, impala · issued · NHTSA 10246555

    Replace the 3-5-reverse clutch plates. Also listed: GMC Terrain and Acadia, Buick Enclave, Regal and LaCrosse, Cadillac SRX and XTS. Only the NHTSA flat-file summary was reviewed, not the bulletin itself.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

  • PIP5084AStatus unverified

    Harsh shift or MIL with P0716 or P0717

    2013silverado, express · issued · NHTSA 10112742

    Check circuit 1984 at the engine side of the transmission inline 20-way connector, then the transmission computer pins. GMC Sierra and Savana are also listed. Only the NHTSA flat-file summary was reviewed, not the bulletin itself.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

Hyundai

  • 2010–2012

    Supported by vehicle data

    Hyundai 12-AT-009-2 covers P0717, P0721 and P0722 and says not to replace the transmission for these codes. The bulletin is on NHTSA, but whether it is still current is not verified, so it is labelled vehicle data rather than confirmed.

  • 12-AT-009-2Status unverified

    Input and output speed sensor codes P0717, P0721 and P0722

    2010–2012santa-fe, sonata, elantra, azera, accent, tucson · issued · NHTSA 10044203

    Do not replace the transmission for these codes; follow the repair procedure and replace the related part. Only the NHTSA flat-file summary was reviewed, not the bulletin itself.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

  • P0700Transmission module requests the check engine light

    Primary / secondary Possible — needs testing

    Likely primary: P0717. On cars with a separate transmission module, a basic code reader may show only P0700, which means the module has stored its own code. P0717 can be that code, so fix P0717 and P0700 goes with it.

  • P0720Transmission output shaft speed sensor circuit fault

    Same system Possible — needs testing

    P0720 is the matching fault on the output speed sensor. Some Ford 6F50 bulletins list both.

  • P0722No signal from the transmission output shaft speed sensor

    Same system Possible — needs testing

    P0722 is the no-signal fault on the output speed sensor. Hyundai covers both in the same bulletins.

  • P0730Transmission gear ratio does not match the selected gear

    Shares causes Supported by vehicle data

    On some 2008 Dodge and Jeep models the computer could report P0730 when the real fault was P0717; Chrysler fixed this with a flash.

All Transmission codes

P0717 questions

Is P0717 just a bad sensor?

Often, but not always. Some GM and Ford bulletins trace it to clutch damage inside the transmission, especially when reverse or some gears are missing. Check for a bulletin before buying a sensor.

Sources and review

  1. Toyota Camry Owner's Manual (OM06291U) — Toyota
  2. Ford TSB 20-2393: 2020 Super Duty 10R140 lack of power with P0715, P0716, P0717, P07C0 — Ford Motor Company / NHTSA ,
  3. GM 16-NA-013: no reverse, no third, P0716 and P0717 — General Motors / NHTSA ,
  4. Cal. Code Regs. Tit. 13, § 1968.2 — Malfunction and Diagnostic System Requirements (OBD II) — California Air Resources Board (via Cornell LII)
  5. Tranny Problems: On the Outside Looking In — MOTOR Magazine ,
  6. GM PIP5084A: 2013 trucks and vans harsh shift or MIL with P0716 or P0717 — General Motors / NHTSA ,
  7. Ford SSM 50861: 6F50/6F55 no reverse, 3rd and 5th with P0715, P0717, P0756, P2701 — Ford Motor Company / NHTSA ,
  8. Chrysler 21-014-08: flash for incorrect reporting of P0730 for P0717 — Chrysler LLC / NHTSA ,
  9. DTC P0700 — Saab 9-5 (9650) 2010 Workshop Information System — SaabWISOnline (community rehost of Saab/GM service information)
  10. Ford 07311: 6F50 transaxles built before 1/1/07 with P0715, P0717, P0718, P0720 — Ford Motor Company / NHTSA ,
  11. Hyundai 12-AT-009-2: input and output speed sensor codes P0717, P0721, P0722 — Hyundai Motor America / NHTSA ,
  12. Hyundai 03-40-022: automatic transaxle pulse generator codes P0717 and P0722 — Hyundai Motor America / NHTSA ,
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