P0404: The EGR valve or its position sensor is not working within the expected range

EGR circuit range/performance

Severity: Monitor

P0404 is an emissions fault: the EGR valve is not moving to where the engine computer commands, or its position reading does not make sense. Many cars drive normally, but a valve stuck open can cause rough running, so have it fixed without too much delay.

It gets more serious if:

  • Inspect soon: Have it inspected soon if the engine surges, idles rough, is hard to start, stalls or loses power. A stuck-open EGR valve causes these, and Ram and Land Rover bulletins tie P0404 to surging, hard starting and restricted performance.

Source: how we rate severity

P0404 in short

P0404 means the EGR valve is not reaching the position the engine computer commands, or its position sensor reading is out of range. Carbon build-up, a failed valve or position sensor and connector faults are the usual causes. Many cars drive normally, but get it checked soon if the engine surges, stalls or loses power.

The exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve lets a metered amount of exhaust back into the intake. This lowers combustion temperatures and cuts nitrogen oxide emissions.

Most modern EGR valves are electrically driven and have a position sensor. The engine computer compares the commanded opening with the measured position. When they don't match, or the sensor reading is out of range, it sets P0404. Honda describes it as an EGR valve circuit range/performance problem; Ram describes it as EGR position sensor performance.

Carbon is the most common culprit. Delphi calls it the single biggest cause of EGR failure, because deposits stop the valve from moving freely or seating.

A valve stuck partly open lets exhaust in when it shouldn't, causing rough idle, surging or lost power. A valve stuck shut usually causes no symptoms except possible knocking under load.

Most likely causes

  1. Cause 1: Carbon build-up holding the EGR valve

    Common general cause
    Why it ranks here
    Delphi names carbon as the single biggest cause of EGR failure, and GM's Equinox bulletin points to a stuck pintle.
    What would change this
    Rises on higher-mileage engines and if deposits are found on the valve. Falls if the valve is clean and moves freely.
  2. Cause 2: Failed EGR valve or built-in position sensor

    Supported by vehicle data
    Why it ranks here
    Ram replaces the EGR valve for P0404 under a warranty extension, and Honda found its engine computer could command too much lift and damage the valve internally.
    What would change this
    Rises if the valve does not follow scan-tool commands or the position reading is erratic. Falls if it tracks commands smoothly.
  3. Cause 3: EGR connector or wiring fault

    Supported by vehicle data
    Why it ranks here
    Isuzu found that returned EGR valves were fine and spread connector terminals were the real cause of repeat P0404 codes.
    What would change this
    Rises if the code comes and goes or terminals are loose or corroded. Falls if the connector is tight and wiring checks out.
  4. Cause 4: Engine computer software

    Supported by vehicle data
    Why it ranks here
    Honda's A13-095 updates the engine computer to stop it commanding excessive lift on the Odyssey. Without the update a new valve can fail again.
    What would change this
    Rises on a covered Odyssey without the update. Falls if no bulletin applies.
    How to test the engine control module (ecm / pcm)
  5. Cause 5: Debris jamming the valve

    Possible — needs testing
    Why it ranks here
    Ford found weld slag from the turbo pipe jamming EGR valves on new 6.4L diesels. This is specific to that engine.
    What would change this
    Rises on a low-mileage 6.4L Ford diesel. Falls on other engines.

What to test first

Start at step 1. Each result tells you what it means and where to go next.

  1. Step 1: Read all stored codes and ask a dealer whether your VIN has a bulletin, software update or warranty extension for P0404.

    Low riskTool: OBD-II scan tool

  2. Step 2: With the engine off, unplug the EGR valve connector and check the terminals for spread, looseness or corrosion.

    Low riskTool: flashlight

  3. Step 3: Command the EGR valve open and closed with a scan tool and watch the desired and actual position readings.

    Low riskTool: bidirectional scan tool

  4. Step 4: Remove the EGR valve and look for carbon deposits or debris on the valve and seat.

    Use cautionTool: hand tools

    Warning:EGR valves and exhaust parts get very hot. Let the engine cool fully first.

Symptoms

  • Check engine light with no change in how the car drives
  • Rough idle
  • Surging or hard starting Gets more serious: stop and have it checked.
  • Reduced power or a restricted performance warning Gets more serious: stop and have it checked.

How to fix

  1. Step 1: With the engine off and cool, check that the EGR valve connector is fully seated.

  2. Step 2: Ask a dealer whether your VIN has a bulletin, software update or warranty extension for P0404.

On your vehicle

Honda

  • 2011–2014 · Odyssey

    Supported by vehicle data

    Honda A13-095 says the engine computer can damage the EGR valve by commanding too much lift, so a software update goes with the repair. Whether the bulletin is still current is not verified.

  • A13-095Status unverified

    MIL with P0404 EGR valve circuit range/performance

    2011–2014odyssey · issued · NHTSA 10099621

    Honda says the engine computer may command too much EGR lift after extended driving, damaging the valve internally.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

Ram

  • 09-010-16 Rev. AStatus unverified

    Engine surge or hard start, X63 warranty extension

    2012–20131500 · issued · NHTSA 10121673

    Ram replaces the EGR valve if P0404 (EGR position sensor performance) is set; owners may notice surging and hard starting.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

Land Rover

  • 2016–2017 · Range Rover Sport · 3.0 TDV6

    Supported by vehicle data

    On the TDV6 diesel, P0404 can bring a restricted performance warning; follow Land Rover SSM73311.

  • SSM73311Status unverified

    MIL and/or restricted performance with P0404

    2016–2017range-rover, range-rover-sport · 3.0 TDV6 · issued · NHTSA 10106446

    Land Rover addresses P0404 with a restricted performance warning on 3.0 TDV6 diesels.

    We couldn't confirm whether this bulletin is still current, so it doesn't count as confirmation.

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P0404 questions

Is it safe to drive with P0404?

Usually, for a while. It is an emissions fault and many cars drive normally. Get it checked soon if the engine surges, stalls, is hard to start or loses power.

Will cleaning the EGR valve fix P0404?

Sometimes. Carbon is the most common cause, but a failed position sensor, a loose connector or a software issue can also set it. Check the connector and any bulletins first.

Sources and review

  1. The basics of EGRs - what they do, how they work, how to troubleshoot — Delphi Technologies
  2. 2011–2014 Odyssey: MIL with P0404 EGR valve circuit range/performance (bulletin A13-095) — American Honda / NHTSA ,
  3. Engine surge or hard start, X63 warranty extension: replace EGR valve if P0404 is set (09-010-16 Rev. A) — FCA US / NHTSA ,
  4. 3.0 TDV6: MIL and/or restricted performance warning with P0404-77/84 (SSM73311) — Jaguar Land Rover North America / NHTSA ,
  5. 2005–2006 Equinox: P0404 or P1404 from a possibly stuck EGR pintle (bulletin 3638) — General Motors / NHTSA
  6. MIL due to EGR position sensor DTC P0404, P0405, P0406 (bulletin 18-027-07) — DaimlerChrysler / NHTSA ,
  7. Repeating EGR DTCs P042E, P0403, P0404, P0409: EGR valve connector terminal spread (SB-10-N-001) — Isuzu Commercial Truck of America / NHTSA ,
  8. 6.4L diesel under 5,000 miles: P0404 and/or P1335 from weld slag in the EGR valve (SB-21066) — Ford Motor Company / NHTSA ,
  9. 6.0L diesel: MIL with P0401, P0402, P0404, P1335, lack of power or surge (bulletin 07219) — Ford Motor Company / NHTSA ,
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